iiNet wins in High Court
Fri, 20 Apr 2012 1:00pm
Fiona Melville
Wed, 17 Apr 2013 1:00pm
Fiona Melville, Partner at K&L Gates
Jonathon Corlett
Mon, 11 Mar 2013 1:30pm
Jonathon Corlett, Senior Lawyer at Truman Hoyle
Simon Snow
Wed, 27 Feb 2013 1:00pm
Simon Snow, Partner at Gilbert + Tobin
Steven Mackay
Mon, 4 Feb 2013 1:00pm
Steven Mackay, Partner at Addisons
Philip Podzenbenko
Mon, 14 Jan 2013 2:00pm
Philip Podzebenko, Partner at Herbert Smith Freehills
Jock McCormack
Mon, 26 Nov 2012 2:05pm
Jock McCormack, Partner at DLA Piper
Moira Saville
Fri, 9 Nov 2012 1:00pm
Moira Saville, Partner at King & Wood Mallesons
Mark Crean
Thu, 1 Nov 2012 2:30pm
Mark Crean, Partner at Herbert Smith Freehills
Tony Damian
Fri, 19 Oct 2012 1:00pm
Tony Damian, Partner at Herbert Smith Freehills
Jeff Mansfield
Fri, 12 Oct 2012 1:00pm
Jeff Mansfield, Partner at Addisons
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Good afternoon and welcome to the BRR Legal Brief, looking at the major legal issues affecting Australian business.  I’m David Bushby and today we’re broadcasting live from Clayton Utz’s office here in Sydney and we’re here to talk about the iiNet case which was handed down in the High Court just this morning, and here to discuss what the victory for iiNet means for ISPs and for copyright owners is Timothy Webb from Clayton Utz here in Sydney.  Thanks for joining us Tim.

No problem David.

Tim, iiNet’s victory obviously very huge and great news for not just iiNet, but the ISP industry I imagine.  Was this the expected result?

I think it was on one view always going to be difficult to predict, and that’s because there really are some very complex legal issues involved here and in addition to that we had a dissenting judge at the Full Federal Court level, so you had a split in the judges who’d already considered the issue.  Having said that I think most commentators, including myself, expected that iiNet would be successful, and there’s a couple of reasons for that.  Firstly iiNet was successful at first instance, before Justice Cowdroy, and also before the Full Federal Court, so they had some form in winning.  Secondly the rights holders did have a particularly difficult time before the High Court at the hearing of the matter.  So the iiNet submissions were much better received by the bench than the rights holders, so that suggested that iiNet would win.

Well if we can, I guess, take a closer look at the High Court’s decision this morning, what were I guess the key factors in iiNet’s victory in this case?

Sure I think there are two.  The first is one of the factors under the legislation that the Court had to consider which is iiNet’s power to prevent the acts of infringement by its internet subscribers, and on that front the Court held that iiNet had a no direct technical power to prevent users from using the bit prone peer to peer protocol, so it had no direct power to prevent, and indeed at best all it had was an indirect contractual power to terminate access to the internet as a whole.  So it didn’t think there was much power to prevent specifically vis-à-vis the infringement of copyright.  The second thing that was significant was that the information in the AFAC notices, as they were served at the time, did not provide iiNet with a sufficient need for it take action, and that was for various reasons including the quality of the evidence that was provided and the risk of liability to iiNet if it did terminate users’ accounts, but in all the circumstances the Court said you couldn’t infer that inactivity by it, necessarily meant there was authorisation, it was reasonable for it to act as it did.  And those collectively meant that iiNet won the case.

Well of course obviously the case was brought against iiNet, so what does it mean, I guess, firstly for iiNet and then just as importantly what does it mean for all ISPs?

With effect to iiNet most immediately it means that it hasn’t infringed copyright on these facts, it won’t be restrained, well it won’t be restrained from providing internet services to its customers who downloaded these films etc, and it also won’t have to pay any money to the rights holders.  More broadly for the industry and ISPs, on one view the finding in this case means that as long as ISPs do not have the technical power to prevent the use of BitTorrent by their users, then as long as they don’t actively encourage copyright infringement, then in effect they have a defence to authorisation infringement.  So they’re off the hook as long as they don’t encourage and as long as they don’t technically control or have a relationship with BitTorrent.

Well turning to I guess the copyright owners and the 34 studios who I guess would be licking their wounds as we speak, what does it mean for those studios?  What does it mean I guess for other copyright owners; where does this case now leave them?

Sure I think there’s a whole range of options open to the rights holders.  One of the obvious ones is to take steps against the individual users who they identify, there are problems with that though, and as the judgement today referred to an article where that approach of suing and going after the individual users is a teaspoon solution to an ocean problem, so that has its difficulties.  Another option would be that they could start again, and issue the notices that they previously issued to iiNet or another ISP, but improving them, providing better evidence and offering to pay the costs and indemnify the ISP against any liability for wrongfully terminating the accounts, so they could go down that path, perhaps unlikely.  The most obvious way forward for them is to lobby government for legislative change.  So the Court itself noted, both in the minority and majority judgements that these issues may be better dealt with via legislative solution, and that’s happened in other jurisdictions, such as the UK and New Zealand.  So I expect we’ll see intense lobbying by the rights holders of the Government and finally I mention of course a monetised solution, that usually users are downloading unlawful infringing content because either they don’t have access to or it costs too much to get lawful content and so there are of course options for the rights holders to seek to address those concerns and thereby reduce the incidents of infringing conduct.

Well Tim I want to take your point about I guess lobbying and legislative change.  The hearing for this case of course was heard late last year, and the judges have since been deliberating until today.  While that was happening though you had the Government holding secret meetings I guess with the ISP industry, you also had the communications alliance together with some of the major ISPs and the Internet Industry Association put together a draft infringement notice scheme, now that we’ve had this decision though, is that same onus still on industry and government to sort this out, or with this decision today, now the High Court has passed judgement, is the current law sufficient?

I think it’s a matter of the onus shifting somewhat in that the judgement was unanimous, all be it split judgements, and reasonably clear, it really was a very clear victory for iiNet and ISPs more broadly.  The consequence of that is you would expect their negotiating position in industry discussions to significantly improve and indeed they would be quite content you would expect with the current state of the law in this respect.  The consequence of that is rights owners not being happy with the decision would need to lobby government and seek to have the law changed at a legislative level, so it really shifts the bargaining power if you will and the need for rights owners if they want the law changed to go via another means rather than legal proceedings.

Well just finally I guess Tim, do you have any final key tips I guess for ISPs out there that might be looking to react to today’s decision?

Sure David.  I’ll raise a couple, one of which is quite obvious and that is this isn’t sort of carte blanche ISPs can do what they like and not infringe copyright.  Clearly they should not infringe, sorry encourage copyright infringement by their users and indeed if they do that would almost certainly take their conduct outside the scope of this decision and they could be liable for authorising copyright infringement.  Second point to note is that ISPs should have a written repeat infringer policy for dealing with determination of accounts of repeat infringers and that enables them to rely on what are known as the safe harbour provisions in the Copyright Act in the event that they are found to infringe.  So it’s useful for them to notwithstanding this decision to ensure they have and maintain that repeat infringer policy.

Well Tim some great insights there for business, and really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us so soon after the case today, so thank you again.

No problem at all, thanks David.

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